On Friday, the 4th of August, SAGE's Dr John Bruni was invited to speak with Australian Radio Legend Jeremy Cordeaux AM. John was live-streamed on Jeremy's podcast - The Court of Public Opinion. In the 40 minutes John was on, he and Jeremy spoke about the state of Australia's defence forces. The parlous state of personnel and the wide-ranging problems this is causing on the defence organisation. We also spoke about submarines, AUKUS, and China and threw in a little bit of politics as well.