In this episode, John speaks with Dirk Moses. Dirk is Frank Porter Graham Distinguished Professor of Global Human Rights History at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The topic de jour comes straight out of the human horror story - genocide - the deliberate extermination of people based on their identity. Considering the war crimes being committed by Russian forces in Ukraine, we ask the question, what is genocide? How is it quantified and how is this term distinguished from war crimes legally. The answer may surprise you.